Llandough Community Council — correspondence with the family (email)
| Title | Llandough Community Council: correspondence with the family (email) |
|---|---|
| Evidence label | CORRESPONDENCE (email thread) |
| Institution | Llandough Community Council |
| People (as named in the emails) | Paul R. Egan, Clerk; Dr Mo (M C) Misra, Chair 2026/27; Sion Buckler, for the family |
| Date range | 14 Nov 2025 – 16 Oct 2026 |
| Messages published | 22: 14 from Sion Buckler (trimmed to the farm case), 8 from the institution side (0 automatic replies listed by header only); 1 of Sion’s messages omitted entirely (not about the farm case) |
| Not published | 1 unsent draft |
| Status | HELD: Sion Buckler’s Gmail, read-only export, 18 Oct 2026 |
| Provenance | Message text verbatim. Email addresses, phone numbers, postal addresses and signature blocks removed; earlier quoted replies trimmed. Message numbers follow the full export, so gaps are messages not published. Selection: the institution’s email domains plus case terms; check for misses. Sion’s own messages trimmed to the farm case on 18 Oct 2026: personal passages omitted at the family’s request and marked “[personal passage omitted — not about the farm case]”; institutions’ words unchanged. |
| Related | EV-0157 — Llandough Community Council (Clerk Paul Egan) correspondence thread, June–October 2026 · Llandough Community Council — Email Correspondence Catalogue · Llandough Community Council — Correspondence Chronology |
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Quotation: “Can you please note that the Council meeting on 22 October will now be held remotely only” (Clerk, 16 Oct 2026, M22).
Proves: What was sent and received, by whom and on what dates, as held in Sion’s mailbox.
Does not prove: That any statement inside an email is true; that the mailbox holds every message (letters, calls and other addresses are outside it); any motive.
1. Description
- 14–20 Nov 2025. Sion wrote to Kanishka Narayan MP about BP Properties v Buckler (M01, report attached). The Clerk replied on 20 Nov (6 days later) to Sion and the MP: “I regret to inform you that we are unable to assist with the matter you raise” (M02). Sion acknowledged it the same morning (M03).
- 18 May 2026. Sion asked for disclosure of all LCC records on Ty Mawr, the farm lands, the Williams and Buckler families, BP v Buckler, and any meeting at which Billy Buckler addressed the Council c.1988 (M04). The Clerk acknowledged it on 20 May as an FOI request (M05, 2 days).
- 14 Jun 2026. The Clerk answered (M06, 27 calendar days, inside the 20-working-day limit): minutes from 1982, when LCC was formed, were deposited at Glamorgan Archives in 2002; before 1982 Llandough came under Penarth Town Council; section 21 FOIA (information reasonably accessible elsewhere) applied; and he pointed to the Council’s “Buildings of Significance” web page for history. Sion replied the same day (M07), asking whether LCC holds any records other than the deposited minutes, and whether any record exists of Billy Buckler addressing the Council. No direct answer to M07 appears in the mailbox: 126 days to 18 Oct 2026. Sion also sent a thank-you note that evening (M08).
- 20 Sep 2026. Sion wrote to Councillor Misra with the family history and a heritage proposal (M09, PDF attached). The Chair replied the same day (M10): the Clerk “has already directed you to all the information we have … We have nothing more to add.”
- 21 Sep 2026. Sion made a narrower FOIA/EIR request (M11): post-2002 records; photographs of any date; what passed from Penarth Town Council in 1982. On 28 Sep the Chair passed it to the Clerk (M12, 7 days).
- 11 Oct 2026. The Clerk refused the 21 Sep request under section 12 (cost limit £450 = 18 hours) (M15, 20 days after the request; 13 days after the hand-over). His estimate: 224 sets of minutes 2002–2016 at “about 20 minutes to read each” and “about 10 minutes to assess each”, stated as “a total of over 2240 minutes which equates to 37 hours”. (224 × 10 min = 2,240 min, about 37 h; at 20 + 10 = 30 min each the total would be 6,720 min, 112 h. The email’s arithmetic counts only the 10 minutes.) He suggested narrowing to e.g. 2002–2006 and offered internal review and the ICO. The other matters “will be considered at the October meeting of the council”; no date was given.
- 13 Oct 2026. Sion asked for an internal review (M16, then a replacement version, M17). The same evening the Clerk acknowledged it (“a full response will be sent to you in due course”) and sent the agenda and a Zoom link (M18). The attached agenda (dated 13 Oct) says the meeting is on Thu 22 Oct 2026 at 7.00pm “in the Council Chamber located at the rear of the Llandough War Memorial Hall. Any Councillor or member of the press or public may attend either in person or remotely.” Item 5 is “Meeting with Councillor G. Carroll”. Item 10 is “a request from Mr SB” (Sion’s two requests: passing his details to former members and residents, and an interpretation board near the green).
- 16 Oct 2026. Sion sent two emails at 08:45 and 08:54 (M20, M21). At 09:53 the Clerk wrote: “the Council meeting on 22 October will now be held remotely only” (M22). That is a change from the 13 Oct agenda (in person or remote) to remote only, 3 days later and 6 days before the meeting. No reason was given in the email. Sion objected at 13:31 (M23), asking who decided it, when, and under what policy. No reply by 18 Oct 2026 (2 days).
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Open as of 18 Oct 2026: the internal review requested 13 Oct (acknowledged, no outcome); the 14 Jun questions (M07); the 16 Oct objection (M23); the Clerk’s promise (M15) to report the Council’s views after the October meeting.
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Cllr George Carroll is a Vale of Glamorgan councillor, not an LCC member; his emails are on the Vale of Glamorgan Council correspondence page. He is listed at item 5 of the 22 Oct LCC agenda (M18).
2. Evidence: the emails
M01 · 14 Nov 2025 12:48 UTC · Sion Buckler (family representative) · BP vs Buckler
M02 · 20 Nov 2025 07:40 UTC · Paul Egan (Clerk, Llandough Community Council) · RE: BP vs Buckler
M03 · 20 Nov 2025 08:42 UTC · Sion Buckler (family representative) · Re: BP vs Buckler
M04 · 18 May 2026 03:12 UTC · Sion Buckler (family representative) · Re: Great House Farm
M05 · 20 May 2026 18:25 UTC · Paul Egan (Clerk, Llandough Community Council) · Re: Great House Farm
M06 · 14 Jun 2026 16:04 UTC · Paul Egan (Clerk, Llandough Community Council) · Re: Great House Farm
HomeSection 21 of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) is an absolute exemption that allows public authorities to refuse a request if the requested information is already reasonably accessible to the applicant by other means. This avoids duplicating effort and prevents authorities from acting as personal research services. c) I would suggest that you access the Llandough Community Council’s website for historical information about the community of Llandough – web-link is : https://www.llandough-cc.co.uk/Buildings_of_Significance_in_our_Community_25590.aspx Kind regards, Paul R. Egan BA, Chartered MCIPD, CiLCA, F. Inst. LM, FIPSM Clerk to Llandough Community Council, [signature block trimmed]
M07 · 14 Jun 2026 17:43 UTC · Sion Buckler (family representative) · Re: Great House Farm
M08 · 14 Jun 2026 21:17 UTC · Follow up — omitted, not about the farm case
M09 · 20 Sep 2026 06:29 UTC · Sion Buckler (family representative) · Great House Farm (Tŷ Mawr) — heritage research and a Welsh museum project in Patagonia
M10 · 20 Sep 2026 17:31 UTC · Mo Misra (Chair, Llandough Community Council (Councillor Dr M C Misra)) · Re: Great House Farm (Tŷ Mawr) — heritage research and a Welsh museum project in Patagonia
M11 · 21 Sep 2026 02:59 UTC · Sion Buckler (family representative) · Re: Great House Farm (Tŷ Mawr), Llandough — request for information under FOIA 2000 / EIR 2004
M12 · 28 Sep 2026 08:31 UTC · Mo Misra (Chair, Llandough Community Council (Councillor Dr M C Misra)) · Re: Great House Farm (Tŷ Mawr), Llandough — request for information under FOIA 2000 / EIR 2004
M13 · 28 Sep 2026 08:39 UTC · Sion Buckler (family representative) · Re: Great House Farm (Tŷ Mawr), Llandough — request for information under FOIA 2000 / EIR 2004
M14 · 28 Sep 2026 08:46 UTC · Sion Buckler (family representative) · Re: Great House Farm (Tŷ Mawr), Llandough — request for information under FOIA 2000 / EIR 2004
M15 · 11 Oct 2026 09:42 UTC · Paul Egan (Clerk, Llandough Community Council) · Re: Great House Farm (Tŷ Mawr), Llandough — request for information under FOIA 2000 / EIR 2004
M16 · 13 Oct 2026 01:07 UTC · Sion Buckler (family representative) · Re: Great House Farm (Tŷ Mawr), Llandough — request for internal review of the response of 11 October 2026 (section 12)
M17 · 13 Oct 2026 03:25 UTC · Sion Buckler (family representative) · Apologies Gentlemen – Disregard Last Email Por Favor
M18 · 13 Oct 2026 20:09 UTC · Paul Egan (Clerk, Llandough Community Council) · MEETING OF THE COUNCIL – 22 OCTOBER AT 7.00PM
M19 · 14 Oct 2026 06:26 UTC · Sion Buckler (family representative) · Re: MEETING OF THE COUNCIL – 22 OCTOBER AT 7.00PM
M20 · 16 Oct 2026 08:45 UTC · Sion Buckler (family representative) · Re: MEETING OF THE COUNCIL – 22 OCTOBER AT 7.00PM
M21 · 16 Oct 2026 08:54 UTC · Sion Buckler (family representative) · Supplement and plain-language clarification to my email of 13 October 2026 (03:25 UTC)
M22 · 16 Oct 2026 09:53 UTC · Paul Egan (Clerk, Llandough Community Council) · Re: MEETING OF THE COUNCIL – 22 OCTOBER AT 7.00PM
M23 · 16 Oct 2026 13:31 UTC · Sion Buckler (family representative) · Re: Re: MEETING OF THE COUNCIL – 22 OCTOBER AT 7.00PM
Web check: LCC website history pages
The site’s security certificate had expired on the day of the check (browsers will warn). The pages were read anyway.
| Page | URL | Great House Farm / Tŷ Mawr / Ty Mawr | Williams (family) / Buckler | Church View Close |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Buildings of Significance in our Community | https://www.llandough-cc.co.uk/Buildings_of_Significance_in_our_Community_25590.aspx | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| About Us (“About Llandough”) | https://www.llandough-cc.co.uk/About_Us_20117.aspx | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Stories from the Past & Great Community Walks | https://www.llandough-cc.co.uk/Stories_from_the_Past__and__Great_Community_Walks_20124.aspx | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| “County Treasures” report (linked PDF) | /_UserFiles/Files/Stories and the Past/Llandough County Treasures Report.pdf | 0 | 0 (the 2 “Williams” hits are contributor names) | 0 |
| Celtic Cross / River Ely walk (linked PDF) | /_UserFiles/Files/Stories and the Past/Celtic Cross River Ely.pdf | 0 | 0 | 1 (walking directions only) |
- The “Buildings of Significance” list has 11 entries: Baptist Church and Rose Cottage, Barons Court, Blacksmith’s Cottage, Lewis Road Terraced Houses, National School, Pen-y-Lan House, Police House, Pound Cottage, Primrose Cottage, St Dochdwy’s Church, Y Bwthyn Bach.
- “About Llandough” mentions a Roman villa “found during excavations of a neighbouring farm in the 90’s”, the 1994 excavation of over 800 burials, and that “until the mid-1960s, Llandough was a small farming and quarrying village”. It does not name the farm, the house, or the family.
- The 1994 excavation took place beneath Church View Close, the former farm site (per the agenda item 10 text in M18). On LCC’s pages the farm is therefore referred to only as “a neighbouring farm”. (Inference from the two sources together; flagged as such.)
3. Interpretation (Sion Buckler’s reading)
This section is Sion Buckler’s view, in his words, as given on 18 Oct 2026. It is not a finding. Each line points to the message it relies on, followed by what the emails do or do not show.
| Sion Buckler’s view (Sion Buckler testimony) | Messages relied on | What the emails show |
|---|---|---|
| “The council was hesitant and uncooperative.” | M02, M06, M10, M15 | Partly borne out. LCC declined to assist in Nov 2025 (M02), said it had nothing more to add (M10) and refused the narrower request on cost (M15). But the Clerk acknowledged and answered the May request within the statutory time (M05, M06), and acknowledged 13 Oct emails within hours (M18). |
| “Paul first said he wouldn’t get involved.” | M02 | Borne out in substance. The words were “we are unable to assist with the matter you raise”, with no reason given. |
| “Then he mentioned the council meeting but gave no dates.” | M15 | Borne out. “will be considered at the October meeting of the council”, with no date, time or venue. Sion pointed this out on 13 Oct (M16/M17). |
| “Then he gave the date but said it was now online only, so nobody could attend in person.” | M18, M22 | Borne out, with a sequence the emails make precise. On 13 Oct the agenda gave the date and said the public could attend “either in person or remotely” (M18). On 16 Oct it became “remotely only” (M22), with no reason given. Remote attendance via Zoom remains open, so the public can still observe; what was removed is in-person attendance. |
| “The chair stood behind the clerk.” | M10, M12 | Borne out. The Chair said the Clerk “has already directed you to all the information we have … We have nothing more to add” (M10), and passed the next request to the Clerk (M12). |
| “The council’s history pages leave out the family and the farm, an attempt to erase us.” | M06 (the Clerk pointed Sion to the page); web check below | The omission is borne out; the motive is not shown by any email. See the web check. |
| “Something is rotten.” | — | The family’s conclusion. No single message evidences it. The documented facts are the cost refusal (with arithmetic that doesn’t match its own figures), the switch to remote-only 3 days after the agenda, and the 14 Jun questions left unanswered for 126 days. |