Llandough Limeworks
Llandough limeworks and the unconfirmed 33-acre lead… … read more
The Llandough Limeworks are independently associated with Daniel Thomas and his son Alfred in the People’s Collection Wales account. Mary (Nancy) Williams’s later account links quarrying to part of the Great House Farm holding from 1876. A separate, uninspected archive lead refers to about 33 acres; the relationship between that acreage, Great House Farm and the 1877 house-parcel arrangement is not established. See The 1877 Agreement and The Bute Estate.
Evidence, in date order
c. 1876–1912? — Unconfirmed 33-acre limeworks reference
Location: National Library of Wales (repository correction; item scope still to verify)
Evidence status: the Wiki’s earlier note associated a D153/4–8 reference with about 33 acres used for limeworks. The original item has not been reproduced or transcribed here. The acreage, date range, land description, ownership and relationship to Great House Farm have not been checked against the source and remain unconfirmed.
Parcel unassignedParcel reading. Because the original source has not been inspected, it is too early to say what the papers do or do not say about the parcel. The Wiki has not established whether the 33-acre reference relates to Parcel A, Parcel B, a working area overlapping more than one holding, or a distinct tract. The former “best guess Parcel A” is withdrawn pending the actual record and any associated plan.
1877: Daniel Thomas and the reverter
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Location: Family archive / privately held material
Evidence description: Mary (Nancy) Williams’s 1974 statement records her recollection of a 1877 arrangement involving Daniel Thomas, the house parcel and quarrying, with the freehold said to pass to the Williams family when quarrying ceased. The original deed and plan remain missing. This is evidence about the family’s Great House Farm account; it does not itself prove that the separate 33-acre D153 lead describes the same land.
Parcel AParcel reading. Parcel A. On the current reconstruction, the land identified in Mary’s account as the house parcel sold to Daniel Thomas is Parcel A; the underlying deed and plan remain missing primary evidence.
Location: Family archive / privately held material
1928: The last machine leaves
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Location: Family archive / privately held material
Evidence description: Mary (Nancy) Williams reports that quarry machinery was removed and the final rent was paid in 1928 in connection with the Thomas arrangement. The original receipt and 1877 instrument are not attached here; the precise land extent and legal effect remain to be tested.
Family reconstructionParcel reading. The family reconstruction associates the 1928 rent/machinery event with the Thomas house-parcel arrangement. The receipt and original 1877 deed/plan are not attached here. This does not independently establish the extent of the 33-acre reference or prove that all quarrying on that acreage ended in 1928.
Source distinction: two Williams lines and two quarry histories
Great House Farm / Llandough: Mary (Nancy) Williams’s c.1974 account concerns her own family’s occupation at Great House Farm. She describes the Bute transaction involving the farmhouse/buildings and about 10 acres, plus land retained by Bute. The original 1877 instrument and plan have not been produced here.
William Evans Williams of Pwll-y-Pant, Caerphilly: History Points’ account of former Pwll-y-Pant House identifies a different Williams, who died in February 1870 and left his estate to the Marquess of Bute. The National Library of Wales catalogue for D242/1–27 identifies the 1870 probate of William Evans Williams’s will at D242/17, notes on his real estate at D242/18, and related succession-duty papers/accounts at D242/19–23. Separately, D258/1–110 is specifically catalogued as papers relating to his personal and real estates, including the Pwllypant estate audit (D258/98–101); Pwll-y-Pant estate rentals are catalogued in D255. The catalogue summary for D242/18 names several other parishes but does not name Llandough in that particular property note. That is not proof that no related land transaction occurred elsewhere in the wider estate papers.
Independent Llandough limeworks context: People’s Collection Wales records that Daniel Thomas started the limeworks at Llandough in 1851 and that his son Alfred continued them. This corroborates the Thomases’ connection to the Llandough works, not the title owner or extent of the 33 acres.
What the catalogue now establishes: the NLW Bute title-deeds file list describes D153/1–8 as deeds relating to premises in the parish of Llandough, including a dwelling house adjoining the churchyard in 1811 (D153/1–2), and dates the series 1811–1912. This makes D153 a real Llandough-property lead, but the summary does not identify D153/4–8 specifically as a 33-acre quarrying severance, nor identify the premises as Great House Farm or name William Evans Williams as an owner or transferor. The same NLW list separately describes D247/1–69 as deeds for Penyrheol-las, Quarry Mawr and the woodland later known as Pwll-y-Pant Quarry in Eglwysilan (1723–1895). The two catalogue descriptions distinguish the locations; neither alone resolves ownership of the reported 33 acres. Until the actual D153 subitems and any associated plan are read, the acreage must not be assigned to either Williams family or to Parcel A/B.
Repository and scope correction: the Wiki’s SC-21 entry records that Glamorgan Archives said it did not hold the D153 reference and identified it as an NLW reference. The NLW title-deeds list confirms that the parent file D153/1–8 concerns premises in Llandough, but the individual contents of D153/4–8 and the Wiki’s “limeworks severance” label have not been verified against the original documents.
Related identity test: a separate reported 6 November 1877 lease to John Williams remains unlocated. The inspected DBDT/79/1 instrument is a 2 May 1877 Cardiff lease, not a Llandough instrument; see SC-20. The identity of John Williams of Newport and the Great House Farm John Williams is unresolved.
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